using that computer to publish security articles that tell people their lives are at risk if they don't buy your product to protect themselves from the "evil hackers"
That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard.
Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it.
One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun
I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.
That's the most bizarre definition of "not a civilian" I've ever heard.
Furthermore, I don't trust anyone's definition of "fun" if it means "mayhem" on my boxes, and I don't trust any hackers to tell the difference between funmeisters and for-profit thugs when, for example, having a jolly fun chat about vulnerabilities. The idea that I could lurk in the scene doesn't exactly make me feel better about it.
One group publishes exploits and carries out mayhem for fun
I thought dtf and utnick said they want to keep exploits secret? So do they share the exploits in "the underground" and try to keep them secret from stodgy, above-ground types? Again, I don't trust them to distinguish between "cool" people and (e.g.) botnet operators who send v1@gr@!!! email for spammers.