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> I don't think these people are stupid, and I'm not demeaning them.

Sorry if it sounded like I was implying you thought that, or called them stupid, I didn't mean it that way. That statement wasn't trying to 'refute' anything you said either - it was just expanding on my anecdote of what I saw that it worked or not, whether in a professional environment or somewhere else.

Now, replying to your recent post,

> It's the job of these companies to ensure their technology can be used safely without consideration by the end user.

I think we just hard disagree here. I believe ultimately the user is/should be on control of how their own computer is used.



No worries, I agree with you in principle and for my own usage but, in practice I don’t want my grandma to have to think about security at all and I’d prefer if there were very few ways she could be social engineered to circumvent what security is there.

Beyond that I think total control can still be achieved in the realm of hobbyists who can run Linux or flash alternative firmwares etc.




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