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>I think there is a market for datacenters in open seas.

The idea of having a isolated sovereign floating platform in the ocean doesn't doesn't really solve the problem of escaping the rules of national governments because it still needs network connections into those countries.

Whether it's underseas fiber optic cables or bouncing signals off of satellites, the datacenter will be rendered useless if nations' citizens get a "This site can’t be reached. [...] ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT"

It addition to the physical network topology challenges, the ip address space allocation is controlled by IANA ... which is a government entity.



>Whether it's underseas fiber optic cables or bouncing signals off of satellites, the datacenter will be rendered useless if nations' citizens get a "This site can’t be reached. [...] ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT"

Not if Elon succeeds with Starlink:

>>@thesheetztweetz: How does transmitting into a country without a local downlink work on the regulatory side?

>@elonmusk: They can shake their fist at the sky [0]

For context, certain countries like India have quite strict regulation of satellite comms, requiring special permission[1] even to use plain consumer tech like Iridium. I presume EU would also try to tightly regulate consumer satellite comms, just like it requires real (government issued) ID to use cell phones - specifically to register locally purchased SIM cards, again for national security reasons.

[0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1433123220643717120

[1] https://www.osac.gov/Content/Report/9db45731-1eec-477a-a7af-... >There are multiple instances of authorities confiscating undeclared satellite phones from foreign travelers upon arrival in India. The official notice states: "All foreigners travelling to India are hereby informed that it is illegal to use/carry Thuraya or other such satellite phones in India. Custom authorities in India may seize such phones and legal action may be taken against the passenger concerned."


Elon is a citizen(subject) of the US, as well as his enterprise.


You can't expect Elon Musk to solve your woes regarding your being under the jurisdiction of your government. Elon and his companies, sattelites, etc. are subject to regulation, despite his marketing.


Exactly. Sealand/HavenCo could Play their micronation thing right up until the UK cut their supply and comms links.

Does it raise the bar for bothering to do that? Sure. But it’s certainly not absolute protection.


> right up until the UK cut their supply and comms links.

So if a referendum in Switzerland passed tomorrow which changed the law so that the Swiss government had to refuse to process any foreign warrants requesting IP addresses of email users, would France cut their trade and comms links to Switzerland?


The trick is to grow big enough that by the time anyone thinks cutting your links you are big enough that you can't fail.

I have no idea how to pull that off.


> I have no idea how to pull that off.

you start with a military force that is enough to prevent another sovereign nation from doing something bad like cutting off your comm link, or forcing or freezing your bank account...


A small and geographically distributed nuclear arsenal would also be a good starting point if you wanted to avoid having the large standing army needed for conventional deterrence.

Still doesn’t solve the banking issues, but one problem at a time I suppose.


Sure, but I have no idea how to pull that off. I have lots of other ideas that should work, but I don't know how to pull any of them off in practice.


Which means starting with a globally distributed computer that operates on the level above any military’s capacity to control a territory/populace…


Which is basically impossible. No old military platform in the ocean would be able to do that.


I would think being bigger makes you more of a target not less.


Indeed. A better idea might be to use custom in-house tech and avoid all public protocols and service providers. (Except TCP/IP. Maybe.)

The premise that you can buy secure comms from a commercial third party is... unconvincing.


There is a limit to that. North Korea does a lot of things that no government likes, but so far they are okay. There are a lot of bigger countries that have even more immunity to targeting.




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