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“Hacker news and r/programming is only good to get general ideas and keep up-to-date. The comments are almost worthless.” In full effect as per usual.

Dan Luu has an amazing collection of great comments from HN that are worth the read: https://danluu.com/hn-comments/

Reading all the Sam Altman glazing from 10 years ago, knowing what i know now...

People have been smoking tobacco for 12,000 years. How about nanny states fuck off and let people do what they want with their body. I would be happy for regulation of additives that tobacco companies adulterate their products with, but I should be able to smoke any plant I want.

I defend to the death individual choice but I'm also okay if the healthcare system wants a surcharge for voluntary lifestyle choices that cause first-, second-, and third-order health problems. That a universal healthcare system exists should never be used to rationalize universal, Orwellian deprivation of rights and invasive control of what people can do with their bodies or how to live. "No" to discrimination, collective punishment, and removal of liberty, but I'm okay with costs for voluntary choices.

It's hard to say if smoking weed (blunts or the useless nonfiltration of a bong) is worse than smoking cigarettes because of the lack of filter, but I'd probably try filtered atomization (not necessarily vaping) rather than breathing in ash and tiny smoke particles that destroy lung capacity. To each, their own.


A tool should not be regulated based on what it can do. Regulating tools rather than the action or intention of a person or group is inherently backwards and wrong imo.

> A tool should not be regulated based on what it can do.

They should be regulated on their primary purpose in practice and the damage that they cause. And Monero is unwilling or unable to police itself, even as it does damage that dwarfs pretty much any other computing technology.

And not just nebulous "missed sale" damage, but very real damage that often results in dead people and ruined lives.

> Regulating tools rather than the action or intention of a person or group is inherently backwards and wrong imo.

We absolutely regulate tools that can inflict a disproportionate amount of damage. For example, I can't just buy high explosives even if I just want to do a cool video of me launching a manhole cover into the air. Or nuclear materials. Or surface-to-air missiles. Or....


Idk about everyone else, but I don’t want to rent tokens forever. I want a self hosted model that is completely private and can’t be monitored or adulterated without me knowing. I use both currently, but I am excited at the prospect of maybe not having to in the near to mid future.

I’ve increasingly started self hosting everything in my home lately because I got tired of SAAS rug pulls and I don’t see why LLM’s should eventually be any different.


Exactly. Relying on external compute for professional work is a non-starter IMO.

Props to these folks for protecting their community. Maybe they can build the data center in your backyard instead :).

They are. Well okay, it is about 5km away, but it is in the direction of my backyard. They are quiet neighbors overall, not much traffic compared to most other jobs. The only thing not to like is someone negotiated a tax 10 year break on us.

More importantly, I'm not NIMBY if at all possible.


Sounds good to me. As far as industrial neighbors go it doesn't get any better than a glorified warehouse. The scale of these facilities means keeping a few local contractors in the trades in business indefinitely - electricians, plumbers, etc. Not ideal in terms of number of jobs gained, but those jobs tend to be high quality.

Power costs are a concern, but it doesn't matter if it's across the street from me or 100 miles away on the same PJM interconnect. In the end it likely would strengthen the local grid where I live.

Water usage is just overblown social media rage bait for the most part in most locations at least. So long as it's not a stupid ridiculous design go for it.

The only thing I'd rage against are tax credits. But I'd be strongly against those no matter the project going in. The only public money spent should be on adding traffic lights or improving road access if needed, and I'd want to see that being justified.

This assumes an actual datacenter. Not one with a co-located power plant. These are different things.

Many folks lived near datacenters and had utterly no clue or care until they were told to be mad about it. I'd point them out to visitors or when traveling to family and they'd never have known the difference otherwise. It's effectively living next to an office park.


I find the strong anti AI sentiment just as annoying as the strong pro AI sentiment. I hope that the extremes can go scream in their own echo chamber soon, so that the rest of us can get back to building and talking about how to make technology useful.

I wish everyone could be so rational, well reasoned, and balanced on this subject.

I can’t imagine receiving that amount of money and not turning around and giving almost all of it to my local community. Hell I could keep 50 or 60 million and live extremely wealthy for the rest of my life and never work again.

Actual quote from a Silicon Valley executive: "You can't even buy a decent house in the Bay Area for less than 50 million."

Kimi K2


Good lord I’m going to have to figure out some way to filter Hacker News. I’m so tired of this same sort of article (and the opposite) being posted every day. AI isn’t going away. AI is better than you think it is. AI is probably also worse than you think it is. The world has nuance, so can we please all chill?


These conversations can add to the nuance. Anyway, you can just vibe code the filter you want and be done with it.


I disagree that this adds anything new to the conversation, but fair enough.


Sort of hard to do because AI it shoved down your throat in one form or another virtually everywhere you go. I also think a lot of us Hackers are mourning the fact we spent many years mastering machines and programming just to have the skill devalued (at least from the publics perspective) nearly over night. I personally think it is more important now more than ever to understand technology. To be able to write code, understand how a CPU works etc. Tech literacy will help prevent doom scenarios. A future where virtually everyone depends on AI and Computers but lacks people who actually understand them from a low level perspective seems bleak. I know thinking itself seems to have gone out of fashion and its given rise to misinformation and/or political nonsense like the rise of fascism etc... I think a lot of us just feel "empty" and are trying to express it.


I get it. I’ve been doing this for 11 years. I use agents everyday at work now and deal with all the benefits and problems of that. The craft is certainly changing and it will take years for everything to shake out and settle. I understand the desire to publicly wax poetic, but nobody actually knows shit about where we will land, so it gets a bit tiresome to see over and over.


I agree that humans should continue to value various forms of literacy even in the face of AIs that can do everything better than us. I too will continue to dig deeper into tech literacy. There was a Terence Tao paper recently that mentioned we are in a shift similar to the end of heliocentrism. It made clear that Earth is not the center of the universe, but Earth is still deeply valuable and important for humans. Much the same way that AI may supersede our understanding and intellect and make the are limitations more apparent, but our human intellect is still important to humans. Plus, what are you going to do when the price of LLM tokens are through the roof or you get messages like "burn an extra 1,000,000 tokens for a better implementation!".


I have some amount of hope that local open models with sufficient quantization are the future as hardware becomes more powerful and models become more optimized. I don’t think we will be living in thin client land forever. Human expertise and intelligence will continue to be important and anyone who says otherwise is being disingenuous.


Agreed. I am crossing my fingers that local open models can catch up in the future. Otherwise the big LLM companies will have everyone by the balls.


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