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Or inversely they want to make sure the ciphers they use are reviewed and not backdoorable by adversaries (in this case the US).


Free speech for me but not for thee


Just maintain the underdog start-up public perception, like Google, and all will be forgiven in 2055.


Roping China into this is akin to saying "America kills high school students for fun" for what a few psychos did.


Disagree, this is a systemic issue in China. it started in the 90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go...

and even if it's not state-sanctionned anymore, the triads lead human organ harvesting in SE Asia and at least take part of the trade in India and east Africa.

The same way the human sex trafficking is a real issue in China. The eastern european bride cliché that do happen sometime in europe (and in the US too apparently) is way more pervasive in china, as even middle class people takes on foreign involuntary brides as the gender imbalance among sexually active people grows (and it is still growing).


China pissed off the US so much they blacklisted Huawei, and threatens anyone working with it.


Lol. American movies also tend to romanticize the wars they wage.


Moxie gave a nice talk about American action movies [1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOMiAeRwpPA


Whataboutism, and false equivalence between movie makers distorting their own country's history (of which PRC is even more guilty than the US), and movie makers giving in to a foreign country's threats and whitewashing that country's crimes.


Consider it as a compliment that China thinks your propaganda is too potent for the Chinese population to handle.


Haha! I actually flew into the wrong airport because of this. The two airports are about two hours apart by car.


> It leaks like a sieve. I've seen it first hand (in semiconductor industry).

There is this thing called knowledge transfer, and you do this when you change jobs. Are you suggesting that the employee work in the same company indefinitely?

> well...then the US should block all Chinese services from exploiting users[1] and their data

Which is exactly what China is doing to you.


The US requires due process where companies like Apple can (and do) fight the government in court where a judge must decide whether the request is lawful/constitutional. Can the same be said for the CCP? And even if such a court exists in the CCP, if a company did fight a data request from the CCP, would the executives then "disappear" never to be seen again or perhaps disappear and then show up months later apologizing profusely for being so wrong in not following the wishes of the CCP?


That's the ideal, but the reality is that the NSA was collecting large amounts of information on nearly all Americans for years, and the public was completely oblivious to it.

A secret court issued nearly 100% of requested warrants. Some of the warrants that have come to light were blatantly unconstitutional, but because the entire system was hidden from the public, nobody could complain. Even now, legally challenging this surveillance is almost impossible, because nobody can prove standing - the list of surveillance targets is secret after all.

The very existence of this system was secret. It wasn't democratically legitimized. Nobody voted for the system, and the voters were kept in the dark about the system's existence.

This isn't to say that China and the US are identical. They're bad in different ways. You'll be spied on in both countries, but you have legal avenues to protect yourself from imprisonment/etc. in the US. Then again, China doesn't drone strike its own citizens abroad, as far as we know.


China blocked American services in the mainland precisely to prevent intel gathering on the Chinese masses.

And it's ironic for you to say the CCP wants keys to iCloud, because your government literally forces American companies to hand over the keys[1].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...


Because in this instance you all made it racist.


How is it racist to criticize the Chinese Communist Party? And that includes rightly blaming them for botching everything involving the pandemic. The Chinese people deserve better leadership.


The people of Iraq got better leadership and look how that turned out.


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